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[denise]

If you:

* Experienced a mild photosensitive reaction to the changes in the last code push (however you define 'mild');
* Do not currently have any userstyle or custom CSS applied to dreamwidth.org and did not have a reaction to the version of the entry/comment page that was live on the site before the code push;
* Are technically comfortable installing and/or using Stylus/Stylish userscripts;
* Are willing to possibly get a headache For Science if our changes didn't work (and then disable things as soon as you realize you are, of course):

-- then please chime in here! We have a few things we'd like to A/B test with a wider pool of people who are more susceptible to some of the triggers in the last set of changes than our photosensitive alpha testers are, but we don't want to put things in front of people who had the more moderate or severe reactions until we have a bit more confidence.

Comments

[ysidro]

Wait, is that why I've been getting a mild migraine all day????

[ianuk]

Can I just say thank you for being open and understanding about these things?

I've not had any issues with DW thus far, but I do on other sites that are not taking our concerns seriously at all about photo sensitivities.

Thank you, your work is so appreciated.

[lilacsigil]

I came here to say the same thing - though I personally didn't have any reaction to the DW changes, it's something I'm sensitive to in general, and usually the developers just don't care at all. Thank you, DW!

[sovay]

We have a few things we'd like to A/B test with a wider pool of people who are more susceptible to some of the triggers in the last set of changes than our photosensitive alpha testers are, but we don't want to put things in front of people who had the more moderate or severe reactions until we have a bit more confidence.

I will not be volunteering for this round because I went zero to migraine on the code push, but as such I very much appreciate this reaching-out and double-checking in stages.

[chanter1944]

Aha. I just saw this entry on my reading page, and immediately hoped you'd spotted it for the reaching out and double-checking in stages of repair aspect.

[quiara]

Thank you for this response. This is how I hoped more places would react to accessibility feedback.

[delight]

I just got a new bottle of oxycodone, so I am Prepared to mildly suffer for Dreamwidth's good.

This comment was totally not explicitly clear enough so: me! I get literal seizures from LiveJournal's layout but my reaction to DW's was just some eye-burn and vertigo.

[denise]

Ha! I hope we didn't make it worse for you, then...

I'll email you instructions to your confirmed email; thank you!

[kore]

Unfortunately I can't offer to help test for that because if I get a migraine it knocks me way out, but I just wanted to chime in that I really appreciate how responsive you guys are to this and I know you all are doing a lot of hard work, fast.

[criminaljustice]

I volunteer as tribute!

I use celerity skin, primarily, without any additional codings. Mostly on a chromebook but I have a windows 10 computer that I can also check in on Chrome/Firefox/Internet Explorer For Science, if needed. The effects were very slow for me. I could tell something was Off, but the headache and nausea was a build up instead of immediate. I think that would fall under mild/moderate?

[denise]

Thank you so much for being willing to test! I have emailed you instructions to your confirmed DW email address.

[ana]

I'd be willing to help test! I did install a handful of Stylus scripts already that's helped the migraine inducing response but can disable them to install whatever you guys are working on instead.

[denise]

Thank you so much! I really appreciate it. Emailed you instructions to your DW confirmed address.

[of_sablier]

Sure, sign me up! It hasn't triggered an actual migraine for me, just the eyestrain that can lead to one if I'm not careful, so I'd say that's more to the 'mild' side of things.

[denise]

Thank you! I really appreciate your being willing to test. I sent instructions to your DW confirmed email address.

[astralera]

If having always used Dreamwidth for Widescreen is alright, I'm more than happy to volunteer.

(I would disable the Widescreen styling for testing as needed, of course.)

[denise]

I am going to hold off on asking you right immediately, actually, because in this case I'm specifically trying to A/B test some constrained maximum widths that will probably look really off to you if you're used to browsing with Widescreen on. But thank you!

(I don't know if you saw my comments in the previous dw-maint post, but the thing we're suspecting is causing the issue right now is having hit a bad ratio of character-height to line-width, which is a common photosensitivity trigger -- a lot of people perceive it as being caused by "too much whitespace", but the research is starting to converge on the issue not being the whitespace but the ratio of character height to line width. Small tweaks to that ratio are usually the most effective, so if you're used to reading the site with a much longer line-width than we're testing here, it'll probably all look wonky to you no matter what.)

[kaisa]

I don't know if it is the same thing or if it is just my browser, but the new pages stutter when scrolling down. That kind of thing gives me a headache. If I turn on the beta features, scrolling is smooth again.

Here's a video of the stuttering while scrolling down.
https://player.vimeo.com/video/442852478

[denise]

Weiiiiiiiird, I've asked around and nobody else is having the same thing happen to them! Is that on mobile? What's your browser, browser version, and operating system/OS version, and do you have any skins/extensions/scripts/etc installed?

(EDIT: Also, does it happen on every page or just pages that are set to your journal theme? Does it happen on https://dw-maintenance.dreamwidth.org/83744.html?style=site for instance?)

(EDIT AGAIN: NEVERMIND ME, that is site skin, sorry, the black bars on the edges threw me and it's been a very fucking long few days, heh)

[amorality]

I have a fresh bottle of Percocet and I'll be getting trigger point on Friday, let's do this!

[denise]

Thank you so much! (I am laughing at your comment because yes, THAT IS HOW IT GOES, isn't it. *toasts you with Schedule IIs*)

I sent an email with instructions to your DW confirmed email. I really appreciate the willingness to help out.

[eruthros]

I would like to help! I use Celerity in the default skin; I did turn the beta option for the site skin on, but I can turn it on and off as needed for testing. My reaction was immediate but very mild.

Photosensitivity is so weird! There is absolutely nothing about the new site skin that had ever been on my Makes Brain Weird list, and yet I opened a post in the new style in a tab and immediately brain = weird? Who knows.

[denise]

Thank you so much! Sorry for the delay, I lost yesterday to weather, sigh.

I've sent you instructions to your DW confirmed email; thank you!

[valhourdin]

If you're still seeking volunteers, I'd like to sign up. Thank you for continuing to look into the PSV issues.

[denise]

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you; I lost yesterday to weather, sigh. And thanks for being willing to test! I sent you instructions to your confirmed DW email.

[haillenarte]

Hello! I'm pretty sure I meet all of the relevant criteria, so I can also take a possible headache For Science if you're still looking for testers. Thanks!

[denise]

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you -- I lost yesterday to weather, sigh. I've sent instructions to your confirmed DW email; thanks for being willing to test!

[rosefox]

I'm not photosensitive and don't qualify to test this, but as someone with friends who have been dealing with a Certain Other Site's absolute fuckheadedness around similar issues all day, I just want to say thank you for working on a fix and finding the right people to test it and, you know, actually taking it seriously.

[tree_and_leaf]

Yes, I came here to say pretty much this!

[gatheringrivers]

I just want to say, you are AWESOME for working on this problem!

(My own issues are mild, and I already set up a custom style so I think that rules me out, but I have friends elsewhere who are much more severe. I'll point them appropriately.)

[dreamtigress]

None of these conditions apply to me, but I just wanted to take the time to tell y'all how much I appreciate that y'all are taking the time to troubleshoot this issue. This right here, one of many reasons I love supporting Dreamwidth.

[stillusesawalkman]

I'm willing to sign up if you still need volunteers! I've used Stylus (but not Stylish) before and typically use the Tropospheric Red site skin. My schedule's a little crazy so I might not have time to try something out immediately, but if you can wait a day or two for feedback in general and still need someone, count me in!

[denise]

Yes, we never need anything done right this second! (As evidenced by the fact I lost yesterday to weather.) I've sent you instructions to your confirmed DW email; thank you for being willing to test.

[uozlulu]

As someone with moderate photosensitivity, should I be aware of a change that might affect my ability to use this site? Or is this just a beta thing that will go away when you release it in full?

Sorry for commenting though I don't meet the criteria, I'm just making sure

Disclaimer: I am not staff or programmer or anythying

[archangelbeth]

If you go to https://www.dreamwidth.org/beta and toggle the button below "Temporarily revert updated journal page components," that should tell you whether you're sensitive to the recent changes?

(I'm not really sensitive to them, but I do find the 1.5 line spacing a little harder to read with my uncorrectable eye-floater stuff. Plus some color issues tweak me.)

[elbales]

I have no issues with photosensitivity, but mad respect to DW for giving a damn about this. LJ sure didn't, the last time I was on there.

[mossgreen]

I have no photosensitive issues that I'm aware of but I want to say that your instant response to what people reported and your all-around superhero attempts to make DW usable for absolutely everyone, along with your commitment to keeping it ad-free, are what brought me to DW in the first place and why I don't intend leaving any time soon. I don't think I know of another social media site that's so open to letting it's userbase know what's going on. Thank you, denise and mark and everyone else on the DW dev team!

[sciencegirl]

I could help you out with that too, if you'd like another set of sensitive eyes.