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[denise]

If you:

* Experienced a mild photosensitive reaction to the changes in the last code push (however you define 'mild');
* Do not currently have any userstyle or custom CSS applied to dreamwidth.org and did not have a reaction to the version of the entry/comment page that was live on the site before the code push;
* Are technically comfortable installing and/or using Stylus/Stylish userscripts;
* Are willing to possibly get a headache For Science if our changes didn't work (and then disable things as soon as you realize you are, of course):

-- then please chime in here! We have a few things we'd like to A/B test with a wider pool of people who are more susceptible to some of the triggers in the last set of changes than our photosensitive alpha testers are, but we don't want to put things in front of people who had the more moderate or severe reactions until we have a bit more confidence.

Comments

[ysidro]

Wait, is that why I've been getting a mild migraine all day????

[ianuk]

Can I just say thank you for being open and understanding about these things?

I've not had any issues with DW thus far, but I do on other sites that are not taking our concerns seriously at all about photo sensitivities.

Thank you, your work is so appreciated.

[sovay]

We have a few things we'd like to A/B test with a wider pool of people who are more susceptible to some of the triggers in the last set of changes than our photosensitive alpha testers are, but we don't want to put things in front of people who had the more moderate or severe reactions until we have a bit more confidence.

I will not be volunteering for this round because I went zero to migraine on the code push, but as such I very much appreciate this reaching-out and double-checking in stages.

[quiara]

Thank you for this response. This is how I hoped more places would react to accessibility feedback.

[delight]

I just got a new bottle of oxycodone, so I am Prepared to mildly suffer for Dreamwidth's good.

This comment was totally not explicitly clear enough so: me! I get literal seizures from LiveJournal's layout but my reaction to DW's was just some eye-burn and vertigo.

[kore]

Unfortunately I can't offer to help test for that because if I get a migraine it knocks me way out, but I just wanted to chime in that I really appreciate how responsive you guys are to this and I know you all are doing a lot of hard work, fast.

[criminaljustice]

I volunteer as tribute!

I use celerity skin, primarily, without any additional codings. Mostly on a chromebook but I have a windows 10 computer that I can also check in on Chrome/Firefox/Internet Explorer For Science, if needed. The effects were very slow for me. I could tell something was Off, but the headache and nausea was a build up instead of immediate. I think that would fall under mild/moderate?

[ana]

I'd be willing to help test! I did install a handful of Stylus scripts already that's helped the migraine inducing response but can disable them to install whatever you guys are working on instead.

[of_sablier]

Sure, sign me up! It hasn't triggered an actual migraine for me, just the eyestrain that can lead to one if I'm not careful, so I'd say that's more to the 'mild' side of things.

[astralera]

If having always used Dreamwidth for Widescreen is alright, I'm more than happy to volunteer.

(I would disable the Widescreen styling for testing as needed, of course.)

[kaisa]

I don't know if it is the same thing or if it is just my browser, but the new pages stutter when scrolling down. That kind of thing gives me a headache. If I turn on the beta features, scrolling is smooth again.

Here's a video of the stuttering while scrolling down.
https://player.vimeo.com/video/442852478

[denise]

Weiiiiiiiird, I've asked around and nobody else is having the same thing happen to them! Is that on mobile? What's your browser, browser version, and operating system/OS version, and do you have any skins/extensions/scripts/etc installed?

(EDIT: Also, does it happen on every page or just pages that are set to your journal theme? Does it happen on https://dw-maintenance.dreamwidth.org/83744.html?style=site for instance?)

(EDIT AGAIN: NEVERMIND ME, that is site skin, sorry, the black bars on the edges threw me and it's been a very fucking long few days, heh)

[denise]

Ha! I hope we didn't make it worse for you, then...

I'll email you instructions to your confirmed email; thank you!

[denise]

Thank you so much for being willing to test! I have emailed you instructions to your confirmed DW email address.

[denise]

Thank you so much! I really appreciate it. Emailed you instructions to your DW confirmed address.

[denise]

Thank you! I really appreciate your being willing to test. I sent instructions to your DW confirmed email address.

[criminaljustice]

I got 'em! I have work until 5pm PST but I'll definitely poke around, after.

[denise]

I am going to hold off on asking you right immediately, actually, because in this case I'm specifically trying to A/B test some constrained maximum widths that will probably look really off to you if you're used to browsing with Widescreen on. But thank you!

(I don't know if you saw my comments in the previous dw-maint post, but the thing we're suspecting is causing the issue right now is having hit a bad ratio of character-height to line-width, which is a common photosensitivity trigger -- a lot of people perceive it as being caused by "too much whitespace", but the research is starting to converge on the issue not being the whitespace but the ratio of character height to line width. Small tweaks to that ratio are usually the most effective, so if you're used to reading the site with a much longer line-width than we're testing here, it'll probably all look wonky to you no matter what.)

[ana]

Got it! Installed and am browsing now, I'll reply to the email with my experience but can already confirm that the reverted width and comment box changes are easier on my eyes. ♥ Thank you guys for being so responsive with fixes.

[denise]

I really appreciate you being willing to possibly give yourself a headache For Science!

[denise]

Thank you so much! I really appreciate you being willing to potentially give yourself a headache For Science and to improve things for everyone.

[amorality]

I have a fresh bottle of Percocet and I'll be getting trigger point on Friday, let's do this!

[lilacsigil]

I came here to say the same thing - though I personally didn't have any reaction to the DW changes, it's something I'm sensitive to in general, and usually the developers just don't care at all. Thank you, DW!

[paradoxlyl]

Oh wild, the same had been happening to me but I thought it was just me/my phone! I don't get it now though. I was on mobile Android version, using an older version of chrome before I updated to the latest version.

[kaisa]

Yes, that is on mobile.
Samsung Galaxy S10 Lite, Android 10
Brave 1.10.99/Chromium 83.0.4103.116
Chrome 84.0.4147.105

I'm using Brave browser https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser) but I noticed that Chrome stutters as well, but it is not as bad as on Brave. On Chrome the stutter is barely visible, but it is there. The places where the stutter happens are always the same depending on the contents of the page, both browsers stutter at the same places. And neither browser stutters with the beta features turned on.

Could it be that the same stuttering is causing the headaches for others too, but it is so subtle that it is hard to notice if you don't know it's there? Not sure if I would have noticed it myself just on Chrome, because on Chrome it is not as heavy as on Brave, but it is there. My first thought was that my eyes are just tired and skipping around, but scrolling up and down and seeing it happen at the same place of the page makes it clear it's not my eyes.