I'm not really looking to use the code from my LJ layouts. I used the S2 style Bloggish unstyled for years and years because I found a template someone posted showing the correct order and field names for the CSS. So once I figured out how it worked (and this was a big learning curve for me. as at the time I'd worked with HTML but never done any CSS coding.) I could easily change the appearance of my journal just by plugging new graphics address into the different fields in my template. So what I'm looking for is more like an example of a css template for a style that does not have coding specific to the style that can't be overridden with an !important tag. So for example, I tried one that left a red border around what in LiveJournal is tagged as um... "#container", which I didn't want. I haven't fooled with it much yet. I'll figure it out though. I'll go study the links you provided and see what I can figure out. I've just been too busy to devote much time to it. Once I have a layout that works the way I want it to, and has things where I want them. (that doesn't tend to change once I'm settled on it.) Then I'll have the CSS to do what I want going forward with whatever style I end up settling on.